Don't fall into the mindtrap which makes you think any Islamic group would not adhere to the MAD fact of life. To do so is to think they would willingly sacrifice not only themselves but also their families and friends and communities of all age groups of all genders and finally even their entire nation. And that's not going to happen. It's all a lie and to believe them (Islamists) capable of doing somthing like that shows you trust in the mainstream media far too much. It's obvious Muslims are smeared as terrorists in much the same way Columbians are smeared as cocaine smugglers. Muslims love their children as much as you do and the sooner you understand that the better. And you don't understand the meaning of the Koran to Muslims. It's quite precise in explaining how to treat certain issues. Unlike the Jewish Talmud which supports violent vengeance retributions against non-Jews, the Koran strictly prohibits all such measures against non-combatants, regardless of their religion or nationality. The proof is there to see. That American Hamil hostage guy, I don't recall his full name, stated he was not abused by his captors and even had his injuries tended to in excellent fashion. As per the Koran's teachings. The idea of the Koran being a terrorist handbook is a western fabricated lie. It is, however, fascinating reading from the parts I've glanced over. Anyways, it's not possible to use the Beslan operation as a valid reason for thinking Muslims like to kill children until someone can clarify one vital fact that was lost in the media hype. Immediately after the first explosions went off and all calamity broke loose, a BBC media reporter stated the explosions stemmed from the explosive devices the so-called terrorists had strung up around the basketball hoops in the gymnasium. At the point where the BBC was reporting it, the Russian special forces were not inside the gymnasium nor was anyone else (on our side so to speak) who could have known about the uniquely bobbytrapped bombs. Was someone from the inside able to convey this fact? Not a chance. The supposed terrorists took away everyone's cell phones and all other means to communication. The only way that could be is if some brave soul placed his cell phone up his own rectum because from all I've read there's no mention of cavily searches, only stripdowns. Until that bomb knowledge anomaly is answered satisfactorily, there's no way any sane logical individual can believe that the so-called Muslim terrorists gunned down kids running to hopeful safety.

Reply #1 By: Reiki-House - 5/12/2005 5:07:45 PM

--Have you lived in Iran, my best friend was born and raised there in Iran...and i base my opinions on what his experiences where like...

It's quite precise in explaining how to treat certain issues.

And that's not going to happen. It's all a lie and to believe them (Islamists) capable of doing somthing like that shows you trust in the mainstream media far too much. It's obvious Muslims are smeared as terrorists in much the same way Columbians are smeared as cocaine smugglers. Muslims love their children as much as you do and the sooner you understand that the better. And you don't understand the meaning of the Koran to Muslims. It's quite precise in explaining how to treat certain issues.

--I know that not all Muslims are terrotists...but the extent of there loyalty (of those who are) to the beliefs that they follow is amazing. Not all muslims follow the same version of the Quran, some,like OBL, have altered it into how they want it to be...

Unlike the Jewish Talmud which supports violent vengeance retributions against non-Jews, the Koran strictly prohibits all such measures against non-combatants, regardless of their religion or nationality. The proof is there to see. That American Hamil hostage guy, I don't recall his full name, stated he was not abused by his captors and even had his injuries tended to in excellent fashion. As per the Koran's teachings. The idea of the Koran being a terrorist handbook is a western fabricated lie. It is, however, fascinating reading from the parts I've glanced over. Anyways, it's not possible to use the Beslan operation as a valid reason for thinking Muslims like to kill children until someone can clarify one vital fact that was lost in the media hype. Immediately after the first explosions went off and all calamity broke loose, a BBC media reporter stated the explosions stemmed from the explosive devices the so-called terrorists had strung up around the basketball hoops in the gymnasium. At the point where the BBC was reporting it, the Russian special forces were not inside the gymnasium nor was anyone else (on our side so to speak) who could have known about the uniquely bobbytrapped bombs. Was someone from the inside able to convey this fact? Not a chance. The supposed terrorists took away everyone's cell phones and all other means to communication. The only way that could be is if some brave soul placed his cell phone up his own rectum because from all I've read there's no mention of cavily searches, only stripdowns. Until that bomb knowledge anomaly is answered satisfactorily, there's no way any sane logical individual can believe that the so-called Muslim terrorists gunned down kids running to hopeful safety.

1] after watching video tapes of what was going on inside the school at beslan, the referrence to they layout of the bombs,etc... is
true, it isn't speculation anymore [i heard it on pbs news, as for a link, i do not know where one could be found...]

2] If you listened to eyewitnesses, and police,etc... you will find out that they saw with their own eyes, people [children/teachers] being shot...and if my memory serves me, wasn't the school blown up by the "terrorists" people [as you called them]

3] Now, can you tell me, honestly, that a group of people that take a school hostage, threaten, etc... are NOT a type of terrorists, to they are at least 'thugs' [not like 'thugs' in phil's article...]

Read Andrew Brehm.  He is saying very close to waht you fear!

BTW, all i am saying is that MAD has become a weaker strategy in diplomatic relations, because of the rise of anti-US theocracies that COULD , just as easily plop us with a nuke if they gained one. (this includes NK ) Other nations, such as China, Russia, France,etc...(unless radical changes in the gov't happen) wouldn't, because they realize that it would be,essentially, the end of the world....

BTW,

Great article.  Very thought provoking.

Muslims love their children as much as you do and the sooner you understand that the better. And you don't understand the meaning of the Koran to Muslims. It's quite precise in explaining how to treat certain issues. Unlike the Jewish Talmud which supports violent vengeance retributions against non-Jews, the Koran strictly prohibits all such measures against non-combatants, regardless of their religion or nationality. The proof is there to see. That American Hamil hostage guy, I don't recall his full name, stated he was not abused by his captors and even had his injuries tended to in excellent fashion. As per the Koran's teachings. The idea of the Koran being a terrorist handbook is a western fabricated lie. It is, however, fascinating reading from the parts I've glanced over.

I think this is untrue. If the koran is so peaceful then why 9/11? Why the beheadings?

Thanks, DR.G, i've been thinking about this (oh, and yes i have read Brehm) , i've proposed this theory of mine on a few other articles here that pertain to similar topics, but fall flat... this is pretty much how i view the NK issue, and Iran,etc... Once countries are controlled by zealots that 'would die for their beliefs',its all over if they are provoked...like japenese kamikazee's

*starts to hum "its a small world after all" *

I think this is untrue. If the koran is so peaceful then why 9/11? Why the beheadings?

---That is because, (same thing with the bible and other religous books) the koran was altered/alienated to serve their purpose, so that they could prove to others that they were in the right....similar to what OBL did...he literally changed the koran to suit his purpose...word for word...

Why 911? Why? I have seen the very interesting flight manifests for all four airlines on that day and not one single arab among them. The only thing to like Muslims to 911 is the ridiculous Atta passport that miraculously survived a fire that supposedly melted steel cores and the impossible telephone call Barbara Olson never would have been able to transmit. Check a CNN google search on Barbara Olson and see what comes up. 2 articles and nothing more? You may not know it miler but the Taliban offered up Osama Bin Laden is the US would show them the evidence the US claimed they had. The US refused, citing a policy not to deal with terrorists, never mind the Iran contra or the millions the US gave to the Taliban in early 2000. Asking for evidence was proper. The US refusal to disclose it wasn't. Why would someone refuse to give what they call "sure evidence" if that was the only requirement to get their suspect? Maybe that they didn't have any at all?

and not one single arab among them.

--To the best of my knowledge they forged their way, with different names,etc...

BTW, all i am saying is that MAD has become a weaker strategy in diplomatic relations, because of the rise of anti-US theocracies that COULD , just as easily plop us with a nuke if they gained one. (this includes NK ) Other nations, such as China, Russia, France,etc...(unless radical changes in the gov't happen) wouldn't, because they realize that it would be,essentially, the end of the world....

No debate from me. I inferred that from your article. MAD only works with nations, and rational ones at that!

No debate from me. I inferred that from your article. MAD only works with nations, and rational ones at that!

--I know, was talking to RH... (I'm suprised this article has had this many responses,my others haven't had so many, max before was about 3-4)

Why 911? Why? I have seen the very interesting flight manifests for all four airlines on that day and not one single arab among them. The only thing to like Muslims to 911 is the ridiculous Atta passport that miraculously survived a fire that supposedly melted steel cores and the impossible telephone call Barbara Olson never would have been able to transmit. Check a CNN google search on Barbara Olson and see what comes up. 2 articles and nothing more? You may not know it miler but the Taliban offered up Osama Bin Laden is the US would show them the evidence the US claimed they had. The US refused, citing a policy not to deal with terrorists, never mind the Iran contra or the millions the US gave to the Taliban in early 2000. Asking for evidence was proper. The US refusal to disclose it wasn't. Why would someone refuse to give what they call "sure evidence" if that was the only requirement to get their suspect? Maybe that they didn't have any at all?

I NEVER said a word about OBL did I? NO I DIDN'T! You made a claim that the koran preaches non-violence. And I asked what about 9-11 and beheadings. Are you now going to tell me that the people who perpetrated those horrendous crimes where not muslim? Followers of the Koran?

The only thing to like Muslims to 911

You better do a little more research on this. They have radio transmissions that say otherwise. An just an aside... they also have OBL on video tape claiming responsibility for 9-11.

You better do a little more research on this. They have radio transmissions that say otherwise. An just an aside... they also have OBL on video tape claiming responsibility for 9-11.

Reiki is in his own fantasy world where Muslims are innocent peace loving people, like the Nazis of the 30s and 40s.  Hell, he even believes the nazi's gave the Jews Saunas and Jacuzzis!  You cannot discuss or debate rationally with someone who is neither sane nor rational.