The first link was enough, I didn't bother to read the others.

It's obvious that the author is entirely unfamiliar with al Jazeera in everything but name. They are an extremely reputable news agency, and certainly fall significantly further from "propaganda" than do Fox or CNN.

They also seem blissfully unaware that the US does not own the internet. You may not like everything that's on the internet, but here's the beauty of it - if you don't like something, you don't have to have any involvement with it whatsoever.

Here's to free speech, and here's to silencing the morons who oppose it.

Hey Lucas.... Ever stop to think (I know the originator didn't) that the goverment has a reason behind this? Like putting tracers on anyone visiting the site? Maybe part of the "Patriot Act"?

Reply By: drmilerPosted: Monday, August 15, 2005Hey Lucas.... Ever stop to think (I know the originator didn't) that the goverment has a reason behind this? Like putting tracers on anyone visiting the site? Maybe part of the "Patriot Act"?

--Of course, but IMO things like those sights should be gone, i do understand that the gov may be using this as a source of intell (didn't i put that in there?)....but of course there will be those who are "self righteous",etc... that will cry out "Liberty", using that term as a "freebie", mucking it up.......

So you have deemed that sites which you find objectionable should be taken off the internet? Is there a certain level at which you find them objectionable enough to be removed, or is it just any site that you find offensive in the slightest? I assume that you're the sole authority on this, as it would be hard to reach a consensus on what should be removed, and in doing so, the internet no longer belongs to "nobody and everybody", but specifically you? Perhaps it's only sites that condone violence that should be removed...I wonder if that extends to people cheerleading the war in Iraq, and saying "to hell with the civilians, if they're in the way, it's their problem" (of which there are unfortunately many), or is it strictly limited to sites that condone violence against Americans? I would say that these self righteous knee-jerk reactionaries who believe that everything in the universe should be subject to their approval really tick me off, but I came to realize some time ago that they don't warrant the energy required to get angry.

So you have deemed that sites which you find objectionable should be taken off the internet? Is there a certain level at which you find them objectionable enough to be removed, or is it just any site that you find offensive in the slightest? I assume that you're the sole authority on this, as it would be hard to reach a consensus on what should be removed, and in doing so, the internet no longer belongs to "nobody and everybody", but specifically you? Perhaps it's only sites that condone violence that should be removed...I wonder if that extends to people cheerleading the war in Iraq, and saying "to hell with the civilians, if they're in the way, it's their problem" (of which there are unfortunately many), or is it strictly limited to sites that condone violence against Americans? I would say that these self righteous knee-jerk reactionaries who believe that everything in the universe should be subject to their approval really tick me off, but I came to realize some time ago that they don't warrant the energy required to get angry.

--OY! Granted; A consensus would be difficult and appropriatness would be subjective...and get off your high horse...i am certainly not an expert at anyting...well,no, i won't stoop to your level in usage of words...Its pretty much just my opinion...so, you can take it, leave it...or...what ever else...your choice...just don't lose your integrity by using stances/approaches that makes your self look like a JackA$$...and your "I assume that you're the sole authority on this".....read previous articles...and the comments, that should be enough to educate yourself...Have a nice day! (sarcasm)

get off your high horse

I'm not the one calling for the ban of anything I find offensive.

i am certainly not an expert at anyting

Clearly (sorry, couldn't resist).

just don't lose your integrity by using stances/approaches that makes your self look like a JackA$$

Apparently another thing you're not an expert on. I suggest you look up the word "integrity" in a dictionary. I think that the definition you'll find is pretty much word for word what I was doing in my previous post, regardless of whether you agree with me, and regardless of whether you like the way in which I go about it. Nice use of the dollar sign by the way, and if that's what you're looking for, I suggest you look no farther than the nearest mirror.

read previous articles...and the comments, that should be enough to educate yourself

This is a topic on which I am educated to my satisfaction. I have no interest in reading the entire back catalog of this site (which might take a while). I'm debating the point of free speech in response to the original article from which this thread was spawned. If there's something that was said elsewhere that you feel would benefit this thread, please feel free to quote it here, and make the leap from irrelevant to relevant. Have a nice day! (no need for sarcasm)

I'm not the one calling for the ban of anything I find offensive.

--I find it wrong, nor "offensive" (as in being rude,etc...) I just think that those sites don't belong on the net...and i do not advocate banning everything i find offensive, just this...its just sick...

Apparently another thing you're not an expert on. I suggest you look up the word "integrity" in a dictionary. I think that the definition you'll find is pretty much word for word what I was doing in my previous post, regardless of whether you agree with me, and regardless of whether you like the way in which I go about it. Nice use of the dollar sign by the way, and if that's what you're looking for, I suggest you look no farther than the nearest mirror.

--I meant what i said;

Integrity: Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code. The state of being unimpaired; soundness. The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness


--If your approach is just stupid (for lack of a better term), and illogical, you lose your soundness, others will accept your opinion less and less...until you are just another lackey/kook...(perhaps credibility was the word i was looking for, ya gotta give my credit its flipping late...)

Clearly (sorry, couldn't resist).

--I'm Sure...

This is a topic on which I am educated to my satisfaction. I have no interest in reading the entire back catalog of this site (which might take a while). I'm debating the point of free speech in response to the original article from which this thread was spawned. If there's something that was said elsewhere that you feel would benefit this thread, please feel free to quote it here, and make the leap from irrelevant to relevant. Have a nice day! (no need for sarcasm)

--I was referencing my comment regarding integrity (which should've been credibility now thinking about it), you are educated to your satisfaction, and you say you are a proponent of free speech, yet you are against insults (is a bit off topic, but just had to mention it)...ehh, gotta go, its nearly 1am, and i gotta get up at 5:30....see ya, lets keep on "debating"....

I understand that LW, as i said: (comment 3)

" i do understand that the gov may be using this as a source of intell"

--And what about those sites that the government isn't monitoring, but come back again and again...?

--I just think that we would be better "served" with 'em off the net, honestly, I don't think they would communicate via the internet, its just too risky..its like trying to hide from a person in hide and seek, when you're jumping up and down and shouting "here i am!"....it just seems...ah, what do i know...i'm not an expert...

Well that's because you just dont think much at all Lucas. How can you fight an enemy you can't see? Let 'em run their mouths on the internet all they want, the more information we can gather about them, the better.

--First thing, the intellegence insult wasn't really needed, and yes at times i act before i think, but thats human nature...second, get to know the culture, think like they do...infiltrate if needed...

Again, that's because you don't think. They DO communicate via the internet, why do you think the government monitors all this stuff so closely?

--I know they do, but (should've rephrased it) why would they when its risky...say one thing wrong and bam! "the noose is tightened"...

Exactly, so why don't you leave intelligence work to those that actually have some.

----No, problem, and again, please, try not to resort to insults on my threads, especially towards me...i don't care for them at all (i can take them, thats not a problem...) Have good day LW (btw, what is your real name? If you're willing to tell me.)

Yet I have seen you defend your 'right' to insult others in the name of 'freedom of speech.'Here's a little tip for you Lucas, since you're still on the far left hand side of the JU learning curve. If you're going to express your opinion on the forums and leave comments open, you'd better get used to some insults.If you 'dont care for them' then either don't leave your threads open to comment, or get ready to blacklist vast numbers of people. Eventually you'll be down to just a few back patters, ass kissers, and sycophants that will praise everything you do.Just don't expect too many of them.

--I want to debate, to debate doesn't mean insults, once the insults start, the debate's gone, and one looks like an a@# in resorting to the insults as a reply (I would know), i think it was you or another blogger that said that, and yes i have screwed up in the past, thats over, why continue to dredge that up, i've apologized, I've moved on..."far left hand side of the JU learning curve" -? (calling me stupid? Or just a looney loopy luddite?) I can handle the insults, but if that is going to be the only (or specific/repetitive comment...) response given by someone (repeatedly, over several articles) on my blog, directed at me.., pretty soon i'l just black list them...I'm trying to change, i've cooled my temper (the reason why i "kicked" back concerning the insult and "spamming"...), I'm seeing a docter (the psychologist i had when i suffered from depression), and have been talking with him...If it continue on with things that drag me down, i'm going to end up in "quick sand"...