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Published on October 21, 2005 By ----- In Religion
Ok, so i am told that the bible says not to support "witchcraft", i.e. prophets, magic, etc...

But, my question is, what about Jesus, the disciples, didn't *they* forsee things happening in the future. ("prophecising") Example: the Book of revelations, with john (?) seeing the "end times".....? Is that not "black arts? Or is it, immune, because the person is affiliated with "god"...

What about Nostradamus, or Edgar Cayce?


Just some thing that crossed my mind...."

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on Oct 21, 2005

PSST! Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce aren't in the Bible, so you can't use them as proof of Biblical support for their prophecies.

The Bible differentiates between false prophets and prophets who receive their prophecies from God, btw.

on Oct 21, 2005
A few questions for the christian folk...


Thats why i said "a few".... ok?

But, you can't deny, that there *is* prophecising in it... yet, it seems to contradict itself by warning against prophets...yes, "false" prophets, but who is to say who is false and who is true.
on Oct 21, 2005
1 Corinthians 13: 8-12

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

9For we know in part and we prophesy in part,

10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.

11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.

12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
on Oct 21, 2005
Ruh?

I'n not clicking on this TW....


on Oct 21, 2005
(excellent answer, Tex, at least as far as "prophets" in today's day and age are concerned).
on Oct 21, 2005
Well in general, nothing that came from God would be considered "Black" arts, would it? It would be like, say the dark side of the force, to use a equally silly metaphor. You could accomplish prophecy through God, or you could do the same thing by applying "evil". It isn't the prophecy that is the problem, but the method by which you go about it.

I'd also mention that not all Christians buy into prophecy at all, and not all who do believe everything you are using to build up the conflict.

on Oct 21, 2005
I dont think Christians or the bible are against any magic per se, only that which is derived from Satan (the black magic).  What comes from God (Speaking in tongues, prophesizing, etc.) is not bad.  It is the source of the magic that is in question (and for the record, I dont believe in either).
on Oct 21, 2005
I'n not clicking on this TW....


It only speaks to "prophets" and "psychics" post-Christ.

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

9For we know in part and we prophesy in part,

10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.

11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.

12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

The "perfect" would be Christ. He was the fulfillment of the prophesies, and his life and death changed the spiritual laws.

Matthew 5: 17-18

17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
on Oct 21, 2005
I think there are tons of contradictions and inconsistencies in the Bible.
on Oct 21, 2005
It all comes down to authority. Who has the authority to act in deity name and who doesn't. When a wiccan uses their magic towards a certain goal, she calls upon a specific goddess (in other words, she acts through the authority of the goddes who covers the particular spell or force she calls upon).

When I act as an Elder in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, I use the name Jesus Christ and the Melchizedek Priesthood.

Prophecy, blessing, baptizing, marrying, teaching; each person who claims the ability or privelege to do so does so because of authority from a higher being (or organization).

That brings us to everyone else. When those of us who believe we have been granted this authority act, it is then up to other people to decide whether they want to recognize the authority we are claiming. I don't expect very many of you here at JU to recognize my calling as an Elder anymore than I would take a witch's spell cast over me very seriously.

So, we are all free to claim to be prophets, witches, teachers, Elders, priests or priestesses all we want, we are also free to not recognize those titles and authorities of anyone else.

In the end, the only thing that will matter is truth and fact, until then all we can go on is faith and hope... or neither.
on Oct 21, 2005
Is it right for some one to say, that one who follows a druidic 'faith' (lack of a better term), like one of my friends online, is evil. He is adamantley peaceful. He follows the better side of druidic "religion".... would *that* be (cause he is a "high priest") evil, would he be evil? As far as i know he doesn't practice black magic...
on Oct 21, 2005
Also, how could you say that prophetising the future is evil, or good for that matter... How would you view someone who is predicting a major earthquake, evil, because of what he saw? Or good, cause he has made it known... (If the quake came to pass)
on Oct 21, 2005
Well in general, nothing that came from God would be considered "Black" arts, would it?


I have a question for you...what about Satan? According to the bible, god created all things.... and satan rebelled, and is "evil"....so, would that mean that there *is* something from god that is evil.....
on Oct 21, 2005
like one of my friends online, is evil. He is adamantley peaceful. He follows the better side of druidic "religion".... would *that* be (cause he is a "high priest") evil, would he be evil? As far as i know he doesn't practice black magic...


Be very, very careful, Lucas. If the person you're talking to is a teenager or in his early 20's, it's very unlikely he's a Druidic 'High Priest', and even then....you've shown your naivete in the past with all things cyber, so just watch yourself.
That's all I'm going to say about that.
on Oct 21, 2005
Be very, very careful, Lucas. If the person you're talking to is a teenager or in his early 20's, it's very unlikely he's a Druidic 'High Priest', and even then....you've shown your naivete in the past with all things cyber, so just watch yourself. That's all I'm going to say about that.


Mmm, I understand. But, I've known him for 6 years, he came to visit a year or so ago. And he's around 34 years old.... And don't worry, i'm watching...

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