Which side would you support?

Published on November 13, 2005 By ----- In Politics

China -or- Taiwan

China -or- Tibet

India -or- Pakistan (Kashmir province)

Israel -or- Palestine

Each of these rivals face off in some problem or another. Which would you support? How would you justify it?

Me:
-Taiwan
-Tibet
-India
-Israel

Best Regards, Lucas

Comments (Page 2)

-----

on Nov 14, 2005

To be honest, the middle two don't really agitate me as much as Taiwan and Palestine.

Good for you....

Taiwan - Because they are the original legitimate Government for China (and its UN veto vote). Taiwan was legally part of China for 8 years (1887-1895) and an occupying force for four years (1945-1949

I agree whole heartedly...

Best Regards, Lucas

Leauki

on Nov 14, 2005

So what does it mean if somebody says "Palestine"?

Do they actually support what "Palestine" wants (i.e. to drive the Jews into the sea) or do they simply support what Israel wants (i.e. a democratic Palestinian government in the occupied territories)?

-----

on Nov 14, 2005

So what does it mean if somebody says "Palestine"?

To me, it means they support palestine... I'm not gonna make assumptions that they are "terrorist lovers"...cause i don't know... they might, or might not be... In my mind, i wouldn't think they would be...

latour999

on Nov 14, 2005

Yes, indeed. I am curious as to the 'issues' that would lead you to 'support' a communist tyranny [China] over one of Asia's youngest democracies [Taiwan] ...

This is one I tend to be the most neutral on. Taiwan deserves independance, but I have to say that at this time, the PRC is the legitimate government of mainland China.

And to be fair, I did say I supported Tibet.

Would you, Latour, support Israel if only they murdered as many people as China's government? Or if they had not defended themselves against Arab attacks?

Perhaps to make it worthy of Latour's support, Israel should, after each Arab attack, give back the staging ground to the Arabs so they can attack again? Would that kill enough Jews?

What's Latour's solution?

There are two ideal solutions: one state, comsisting Israel and Palestine, where they could live side by side. This might be the best solution, considering what happened when they split up India. Failing that, an independent state of Palestine, consisting of Gaza and the West Bank, and a small strip of land consisting of a railway or highway connecting them. Also, Palestine should be free of Israeli influence and allowed to develop on its own, without fear of Israeli bombs and bulldozers.

-----

on Nov 14, 2005

the PRC is the legitimate government of mainland China.

And Taiwan isn't mainland...

Dr Guy

on Nov 14, 2005

#15 by O G San
Monday, November 14, 2005

Taiwan

Tibet

India

Palestine

To be honest, the middle two don't really agitate me as much as Taiwan and Palestine.

Fascinating. I would have thought Tibet to be the most clear cut and agitating.

Lee1776

on Nov 14, 2005

the PRC is the legitimate government of mainland China.

And Taiwan isn't mainland...

The Island of Taiwan was only part of China for eight years (because they decided to annex the Island even without the Island Government's approval). In 1895 the Chinese signed over the island to Japan during a peace treaty.

China occupied the Island at the end of WWII, but the Japanese did not sign the Island over to the Chinese in the San Francisco peace treaty. Taiwan was officially turned over to the UN. "The formal result of the San Francisco Peace Treaty is thus that the people of Taiwan should determine the future status of the island based on the principle of self-determination." There has been no other treaty or UN resolution since.Link

When the original WWII government fled to Taiwan during the communist up rising, IMO it took the UN veto vote with them. If one wants to say that the PRC is the official government of the Mainland, I have no problem. But that Government does not have the right to the UN Veto given to the Chiang Kai-shek Government, and no legal right to the Island.

Leauki

on Nov 14, 2005

There are two ideal solutions: one state, consisting Israel and Palestine, where they could live side by side. This might be the best solution, considering what happened when they split up India. Failing that, an independent state of Palestine, consisting of Gaza and the West Bank, and a small strip of land consisting of a railway or highway connecting them. Also, Palestine should be free of Israeli influence and allowed to develop on its own, without fear of Israeli bombs and bulldozers.

They tried the one state for a few days. The Arabs started slaughtering the Jews. That was in 1949.

I guess we have different definitions of "ideal".

And then there was the time between 1949 and 1967 when the "Palestinians" had Gaza and the West Bank (or would have had, had Jordan and Egypt let them). They used the land as a staging ground for attacks on Israel.

Again, different opinion about "ideal".

While allowing the Arabs to rule West Bank and Gaza is "ideal" in a military/strategic sense (for them), it is hardly "ideal" in any other sense.

And the one-state solution, a country with Jews and a hostile Arab population who randomly slaughter Jewish children isn't even ideal in a strategic sense.

To me, it means they support Palestine

Great. What does THAT mean?

Why can't anybody tell me what exactly "supporting Palestine" means?

-----

on Nov 14, 2005

Fascinating. I would have thought Tibet to be the most clear cut and agitating.

Hmmm, do i detect a hint of sarcasm?

Great. What does THAT mean?Why can't anybody tell me what exactly "supporting Palestine" means?

In general...

Reply By: Lee1776

Der... Sorry, mis-interpreted what you meant...

Texas Wahine

on Nov 14, 2005

In general...

Lucas...at some point you're going to have to grow some balls and say what you mean. There is no "in general"...there's about a million ways you could define supporting any given thing, and you're being asked to state how YOU define supporting Palestine.

Here's an example.

Let's say I support Wal-Mart.

That could mean that I own Wal-Mart stock and I am interested in their financial success.

It could mean that I think Wal-Mart is good for the local economy because of its prices and because it hires so many people.

It could mean that I approve of its stance on unions.

It could just mean that I shop there.

It could be all those things, or something different entirely.

What is it that you consider support of Palestine?

-----

on Nov 14, 2005

What is it that you consider support of Palestine?

Any support, financial, vocal, etc...

My support of palestine is it having its own piece of land to call its own, along with Israel having its own... and living peacefully.... but, thats wishful thinking at the moment...

Texas Wahine

on Nov 14, 2005

My support of palestine is it having its own piece of land to call its own, along with Israel having its own

That's an improvement.

Good job.

-----

on Nov 14, 2005

That's an improvement. Good job.

Hey! C'mon, It's not like i have th 50+ page solution to the problem...

-----

on Nov 14, 2005

Why do i feel like i am going through a ymca step by step program for toddlers lately?

latour999

on Nov 14, 2005

And Taiwan isn't mainland...

I agree, Taiwan should be independant, however, if I were the kind of guy who believed in veto power, I would say that the PRC should get the veto.

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