This is really asking in very black and white terms some pretty grey questions and demanding black and white answers. Support for what? Say I pick Israel for the fourth one. Does that mean I support Israel to contain just Israel, or the West Bank and Gaza too? What about the Sinai? And Golan Heights? Do I have to support them even in their atrocities in the occupied territories? What about the Palestinians? And what sort of problem is this anyway?


But in general, my biases seem to flow towards:
China
Tibet
Kashmiri independence
Palestine

This is really asking in very black and white terms some pretty grey questions and demanding black and white answers. Support for what? Say I pick Israel for the fourth one. Does that mean I support Israel to contain just Israel, or the West Bank and Gaza too? What about the Sinai? And Golan Heights? Do I have to support them even in their atrocities in the occupied territories? What about the Palestinians? And what sort of problem is this anyway?

Not so... I never said anywhere, that you *had* to answer it black and white...

This was more intended to be a quick answer... then to look back... but, i'll wait and see if anyone else responds...

Not so... I never said anywhere, that you *had* to answer it black and white...

Well, the way it is laid out, I could either go for real black and white, or a LOT of writing. And since I'm lazy, that eliminates one of the options. If you want to discuss a specific issue, that would be much easier, as we have a mindblowingly large set of issues that would take forever to write about.

Well, the way it is laid out, I could either go for real black and white, or a LOT of writing. And since I'm lazy, that eliminates one of the options. If you want to discuss a specific issue, that would be much easier, as we have a mindblowingly large set of issues that would take forever to write about.

Hmmm, will have to think 'bout that...

a mindblowingly large set of issues

Yes, indeed. I am curious as to the 'issues' that would lead you to 'support' a communist tyranny [China] over one of Asia's youngest democracies [Taiwan] ...

I suppose we are talking each respective party's official positions.

Although for Palestine, do I count the most vocal (Hamas, who want Israel destroyed), or do I count the PLO (who use forged documents about Jews as the basis of their policies).

Anyway, here's my list:

Taiwan (either ROC or Taiwanese independence)

Tibet (I'll let the Dalai Lama decide what's best for Tibet and support whatever it is)

India (because Kashimir is legally Indian and that's it for me.)

Israel (because I don't want a Jew-free Arab world like Hamas and because I cannot really support the PLO until they apologise for their own terrorism against Jews and Arabs and their attacks on Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon)

I don't believe that any problem can be solved by getting rid of the Jews, so how could I support "Palestine"? I support _Palestine_, the Jewish and the Arab parts of it.

Latour999 seems to have an interesting bias towards murderous dictatorships and Jew-hating terrorists.

Not that I'm surprised...



Would you, Latour, support Israel if only they murdered as many people as China's government? Or if they had not defended themselves against Arab attacks?

Perhaps to make it worthy of Latour's support, Israel should, after each Arab attack, give back the staging ground to the Arabs so they can attack again? Would that kill enough Jews?

What's Latour's solution?

Prediction:

Right-wingers will support democracies, left-wingers will support dictatorships.

Right-wingers will support fighters in uniform, left-wingers will support terrorists.

Right-wingers will support Jews, left-wingers will support those who want to throw them into the sea.

Want to bet?

Reply By: Leauki

Ehh, not necessarily...

I suppose we are talking each respective party's official positions.

No, unless that is what the person beliefs are...

And you two! NO ARGUEING! (sp) I *WILL* delete your comments as necessary...

I suppose we are talking each respective party's official positions. No, unless that is what the person beliefs are...

But then the entire thing becomes pointless.

How can I be for Israel if "Israel", here, could stand for absolutely anything and is not defined as Israel's official position.

And others could be for "Palestine", imagining that Palestine stands for basically whatever they want, without connection to the PA's or other Arab Palestinian organisations' real positions.

If you ask me if I support Taiwan, Israel, Tibet, and India, and by that you mean Taiwan's official position, Israel's official position, the Dalai Lama's official position, and the legal situation in Kashmir, I would have to say yes.

But if by Taiwan, Israel, Tibet, and India you mean any positions that could possibly be associated with the four (Taiwanese independence and no Republic of China, right-wing Israeli politicians, independent Tibet no matter the price, India should annex Pakistan), then I would have to say no.

And you two! NO ARGUEING! (sp) I *WILL* delete your comments as necessary

They're not fughting, Lucas. There hasn't been any namecalling. They're debating, poking holes in each other's answers and calling each other to task on why they responded.
That's what people do when they debate.

They're not fughting, Lucas. There hasn't been any namecalling. They're debating, poking holes in each other's answers and calling each other to task on why they responded.That's what people do when they debate.

I did it pre-emptively... just in case.....

How can I be for Israel if "Israel", here, could stand for absolutely anything and is not defined as Israel's official position.And others could be for "Palestine", imagining that Palestine stands for basically whatever they want, without connection to the PA's or other Arab Palestinian organisations' real positions.

Well then thats there delusions... you don't have to follow along party lines...

China -or- Taiwan China -or- Tibet India -or- Pakistan (Kashmir province) Israel -or- Palestine

Taiwan - Because they are the original legitimate Government for China (and its UN veto vote). Taiwan was legally part of China for 8 years (1887-1895) and an occupying force for four years (1945-1949).Link

Tibet - Never really apart of China

India - Legally (Black and White)
Kashmir independence - Will help solve the problem

Israel - Right to exist and secure its boarders (i.e. wall)
Palestine - Right to exist and to the occupied territories that the other Arab counties are willing to hand over to them.

Taiwan

Tibet

India

Palestine

To be honest, the middle two don't really agitate me as much as Taiwan and Palestine.